highenuff89. Messages: 11 Likes Received: 0. The bison hides themselves are much greasier (higher fat content) and tend to have pockets of light weight (thin) areas, especially over the natural hump of the animal's back. CrossBreed Holsters come with a selection of backing material which includes Horsehied and Cowhide. One major difference between a cow/steerhide and a calfskin is the appearance of the grain, which tends to be finer on calf. Horsehide is much more elastic than cowhide and fits the foot like a soft glove similar to deerskin or elkskin but the toughness of horsehide gives it long life without the disadvantages associated with deer or elk. Unfortunately, humidity and constant moisture will permeate almost any leather if given sufficient time. Open invitation. _____ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Prima di tutto, essere armati. Horsehide comes with a number of benefits over traditional cowhide leather. Ever. First posting on forums. Today's baseballs are made of cowhide. Jason and Chris specifically commented that they wanted to hear more about Aero and/or their horsehide jackets. Bison & Buffalo Leather vs Cow Leather Processing. https://www.facebook.com/ActiveSelfProtection/posts/606032802837837?ref=notif¬if_t=notify_me. Bulls are made into steers for ranching. After wearing the horsehide Supertuck for 3+ years I never noticed it really repelling sweat, so when I won a free Crossbreed holster at a match, I just went ahead and ordered the cowhide version. If you really want to understand the differences, speak to someone who works with leather every day, all day, and really understands this sort of thing, like the owner at A Better Belt USA. In 3 years of carrying with the horsehide Supertuck, I never had this much sweat on my pistol when drawing it from the holster. CCW Treated to give it an “antique” appearance. The highnoon down under with straps is an excellent holster for me. Tried a CompTac CTAC and have used that very happily for three years since. I’m currently getting a ton of traffic from somewhere on Facebook, mind if I ask where you found this post? So I recently obtained my ccw. These are all full grain products. I loved my Crossbreed for about six months, until I noticed that because of the all leather side, it kept popping the mag release on my M&P compact when I was shifting around in the car. MLB made the change due to a shortage of horsehide. Tanned exclusively for CrossBreed Holsters, our Black Cowhide is a vegetable tanned, drum dyed, 10-12 ounce top grain leather. This gives it a "buttery" or soft surface feel, and makes it easy to damage. How to Get Started in Competitive Shooting: North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit Renewal. Weird. I'm going to try to deliver info on what seems to be a major distinguishing factor for many people in terms of leather jackets - horsehide or cowhide? Can I suggest checking-out the N82 Tactical Professional series. The strip and the shells are pure vegetable pit tannages, and the horsefront can be tanned either with or without chrome - note: horsefront a.k.a. Even within these classifications there are further categories. - Heifer - this is a cow that hasn't produced any calves, thus the bellies of the hide tend to be heavier than on a cow that has had offspring. Earlier this week I spent several hours outdoors with temperatures in the mid 90’s, and for the first time I noticed the difference between the cowhide and horsehide: Since cowhide leather typically has a more open grain, it will absorb moisture faster than horsehide leather. So, if you don’t live in a hot climate, or you don’t care about getting your pistol sweaty, just go ahead and get the cowhide version. The Horsehide tends to remain stiff over a longer period of time and hold it's form, even under sweat and humidity. After a year or so it was so cracked I couldn't wear it with my suits. Lucas Horsehide Leather vs Cowhide Leather Holster. LOL. This results in it being more moisture resistant but i have also heard that its a cheaper leather and wont last as long as Cowhide.. TOF Well-Known Member . It will break-in and age rapidly, becoming softer as you wear it. Feb 28, 2010 #3. These hides tend to have more natural markings to them (healed scratches, bug bites, etc.) 1940's Letterman's Jacket - a post WW2 classic.... MORE >> "Aeromarine" Aeromarine - A 1920s Forerunner of the Type A-1... MORE >> "August" August - A 1930s Half Belted Jacket... MORE >> "Barnstormer" Double-breasted 4-pocket coat, four deep pockets, finest Alpaca … I have heard Horsehide is a denser and tighter grained flesh than cowhide. June 21, 2014 Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. bark strip, russet horsehide strip, natural horsebutt strip, north of cordovan, and others) is thick relative to the front, and typically ranges from 4 - 10 oz, or 1.6 mm to 4 mm. Not really. Print; Mar 21, 2015 #1 . After some research, im noticing some materials being used. I have NEVER had that kind of sweat on my sidearm. Crossbreed Supertuck Cowhide Vs Horsehide. It's difficult for an amateur to tell them apart until shown samples of each. Horsehide is less able to take and hold a shape than cowhide but is more durable and less resistant to sweat, scratches and material breakdown. Looking to get some opinions and/or pros and cons for horsehide vs cowhide holsters. Cow leather and bison leather/buffalo leather are both made by skilled artisans in the traditions of centuries past. I would think if the moisture is making it through the leather, it would make it through either way. Lightweight, meaning thin, cowhide, though, also makes beautiful jackets. Holsters that are skin side to the body (i.e. Buffalo hide grain is more distinct than cowhide leather grain, and gives a project a more earthy or rustic look. 49 Posts #4 • Jan 17, 2013. 2.75 oz. Most of the time it is naturally darker so when dyed it will be darker than a cowhide item of the same color. I prefer cowhide for belts and IWB holsters. As nouns the difference between horsehide and cowhide is that horsehide is hide of a horse while cowhide is (countable) a hide of a cow. From a production and yield standpoint, cow/steerhide is always better. Cowhide vs Horsehide.....? Dude, you need to stop by the shop while I’m there and let me demo a Covert for you. I’m planning on getting a Vedder ComfortTuck Combat Cut for my P365, but I’m trying to see if the horsehide is worth the extra cost. Thread Tools. Cow and buffalo hides are similar in strength and elasticity; both are the strongest of easily obtainable animal hides, and do not stretch easily, which make them a good choice for upholstery, shoes, or bags. I deliberately say "finer" and not "better" because they are just different, and I wouldn't say that one is necessarily better than the other based solely on grain appearance. - Cowhide - these hides are lighter in weight and have "looser" bellies (that is, a more spongy fiber structure that has more stretch). When comparing horsehide to cow/steerhide, there are big differences. Anyone ever heard of Theis holsters? I get the advantages of horse vs. cow and think horse would be the way to go, but what I want to know is if it is excessively stiff compared to cow. Our lambskin is substantial. Any personal expiernce would be great.. I’n not an expert by any means. Is horse uncomfortably stiff, as I read somewhere? The fronts have traditionally been used for jackets because they are tough and thin, making them great for the application. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Humidity sucks. The bison is raised and lives differently. Now vegetable tanned horsehide is extremely close-grained, dense and oily. There are a number of distinctions you can make when purchasing bovine hides in their perishable state: - Steerhide - most of the cattle raised for foodstuffs are steers. TC125 New Member. "Horsehide" is actually muscle tissue, and much smoother and more fine-grained than cowhide, which actually is skin and has visible follicle and sweat-gland markings. This is generally considered to be the best available hide, and there are many other possible grades other than those mentioned above (but for the what we're working on here this is plenty). Traditionally, cowhide leather that is unfinished and not moisture sealed will have a tendency to absorb moisture such as sweat from the body when used for concealed carry in the waistband. For us, cow/steerhide is cut and tanned as "sides," and horsehide becomes three separate products. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. The grain structure also means that horsehide tends to be more abrasion resistant than cowhide. It’s only an issue if you get a certain set of criteria together, like using a completely unfinished/unburnished piece of leather flesh side to the body. Until 1974, baseballs were made of horsehide. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! The difference is the draw of the surface as you move your blade along the length of the strop. TC125, Jun … I have several Kramer holsters in horsehide, and while the cowhide holsters are just fine, the horsehide does tend to last longer and resist the excess stretching or becomming too loose. Joined Sep 7, 2006 Messages … Horsehide has a high level of natural water repellency which is only bolstered by the tanning process, and its tough composition makes it resistant to stretching or losing it… It has more of a matte finish and will not usually be as shiny as cowhide. ONL baseball stamped 'Cowhide Baseball First Use 4-4-74 Cincinnati Vs. Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I had a Kramer horsehide dress belt once. Thread Tools. all leather holsters except for hybrids) and don’t do any proper finishing/burnishing to at least give some moisture resistance. Strops come in a lot of different leather types' cowhide, horsehide, horse shell, kangaroo, bison, pigskin, etc. In a post a while back I asked if there were any topics that anyone wanted some more information on. Horsehide is just too stiff, IMO. Do your recommended getting ordering your holster lined or not? This is illustrated (below right) where, using the same pressure during the blocking process, the protruding safety-catch on the metal block has pushed through and damaged … Yeah, I don’t think it’s really a problem, just something to be aware of. The fact is that skins of an equivalent quality in cowhide would wind up in the garbage-bin. I would only say that it makes a different jacket, just like it makes up into a different shoe when compared to other leather options. Strength Is buffalo leather stronger than cowhide leather? I'll try and look up pictures when I get home. Horsehide is a luxury leather often hailed as the all-rounder for its durability and handsome aesthetic. Wondering if I should go horse, or cowhide? This is also an appropriate time to explain the differences between the other types of hides that we process. Learn how your comment data is processed. Lucas is a life long shooter and outdoorsman, avid concealed carrier and competitive shooter, and a lover of pork fat. They will all work to maintain your edge. I’ll send you an email. Humidity sucks. Horsehide usually does have more natural markings, scars, wrinkles, etc. The primary difference between HNS and a BBS are the number of brands in the lot. What would be the advantages of one or the other - horsehide or goatskin? As it is though I’m not a huge fan of holsters with a single clip. That is sweat. Cut it. Location: Kansas. It is also naturally water resistant and non-porous, and also more … I have loved it for the few weeks I've had it! Find information on Vintage Baseball collectibles, Tips on caring for your Valued Memorabilia collection Price Guide, Dates, and … As a general statement, chrome tannages do yield softer leathers, but retanning and drying methods can yield round, veg-like leathers. Cow/steerhide is more versatile in that it is much more consistent in terms of weight and … Also, due to horse being a tougher hide, it also tends to squeak a lot when being worn, so if you want a quiet holster, stick with cow. If you don’t want to get your pistol sweaty, go horsehide. I wound up buying two belts from him as a result. I’ve went on record on the podcast saying that I didn’t think there was really any difference between the two, and for the most part, there isn’t. Years ago when I purchased my first Crossbreed Supertuck holster, I had heard from many sources that the horsehide version was the best in hot climates because the horsehide wasn’t as absorbent as cowhide, and because of this it would keep sweat off of your pistol. The answer is in the eye of the beholder. The finish on cow tends to look a lot nicer. Premium Black Leather Cowhide. Horse hide, though, is often more rigid than cowhide, making for a longer break-in. Put a good coat of even something as simple as mink oil paste, or better yet a good neastfoot oil/beeswax mixture (like crossbreed SHOULD have done) and you’ll notice a big difference. Not paper-thin like the lambskin found on “fashion” leather jackets. I was secretly hoping you would chime in when I posted this. Horsehide creases very differently from cowhide. Horsehide has a coarser grain, huge differences in weight (even across the same hide, and generally is lighter/thinner), is more abrasion resistant, has a different fiber structure, and displays much more variation and natural markings. . Cowhide vs horsehide Discussion in 'Holsters and Cases' started by TC125, Jun 23, 2012. It integrates a moisture barrier… I live in Florida, so I know heat and humidity. The strip (a.k.a. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > Feb 9, 2007 #1. Yeah, I’ll have to do that. Horse tends to be a tougher hide, and sheens more easily giving it a glossy look, which some find unpleasant. The Reckoning Holster is shown (from left to right) in Founder's Series, Black Cowhide, and Horsehide leather. front quarter horsehide (FQHH), double horsefront (DHF), and single horsefront (SHF). I am not necessarily looking at a leather that will … Atlanta' used to commemorate the switch from horsehide. Looking for a good iwb holster to carry. Horsehide is naturally a little less porous than cowhide since the grain is marginally tighter, however, much of the moisture resistance is due to the horsehide (like the bullhide we prefer to use) being a compressed leather with a semi-finish done to the “rough side”. Does being smooth side out really help keep less moisture from getting onto the gun? Horse hide is also less porous than cowhide, so dyed horse leather tends to … Do they age in looks about the same? The dressing and type of latigo will make the draw vary but it has a similar feel. Goatskin vs horsehide Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by MKL, Feb 9, 2007. 30 0. This thicker material is often smoother and less grainy than cowhide, and wears better over the course of time. Even better than your horsehide would be two thin layers sewn top grain out on both sides. Calf hides, as one might assume, are smaller and lighter in weight (less thick) when compared to steer or cowhide. Nothing worse than a IWB holster that will not conform to your body. Editor/Head Honcho at Triangle Tactical. The question that really inspired this post was essentially, does horsehide make the best jackets? Cowhide is also much more readily available. The shell has no grain, the strip in the center has very pronounced and coarse grain, and the two steerhide examples have very fine, but still very pronounced grain. Stunning Vegetable tanned Horsehide 577XX TruckerJacket with Troy Mills Blanket lining.... MORE >> 1940's Lettermans Jacket. Horsehide is slicker and smoother than cowhide, both inside and out. That is how we used to make our “old school” 3-way Paddle, worked great. More fibers mean more durability, strength, and flexibility. Jun 23, 2012 #1 . Works well enough that I can carry with an extended mag release and it never comes undone. 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