If you want us to discredit your argument without arrogance why are you arguing with arrogance. it should def be a case by case basis and of course any frat that's been endangering the community should be punished. I've been a regular rider on a lot of campus-adjacent lines, and while most drivers express a sense of general exasperation with all UCB students if you chat with them, they really dislike how the frat kids get come eveningtime and later. News, questions, and discussions for the people of UCSB and IV. I understand the greek orgs they want to ban are the ‘white’ ones, and not the ‘black’ ones, but it irks me when people call them the white ones. greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism g - Cornell University - CU Discussion. It was the cheapest option for most people. Please take what I have said into consideration. Efforts to abolish Greek life are not new. When I was in the hospital a few years back, my frat bros came to my bedside. Fraternities and sororities are built on systems of exclusion, oppression, and violence. Abolish Greek Life. If Greek life is truly about connecting with other people than the drinking and the partying don’t and shouldn’t be a regular thing. Yup, and greek life is sanctioning houses if there is proof, last I heard students who throw parties aren't facing any consequences. Back. This petition is a call to abolish Greek life (fraternities and sororities). If you aren't aware, multiple houses have already faced serious sanctions for it and if there's proof/pictures the respective greek councils look into it. 2,733 Followers, 112 Following, 258 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Richmond Greek Life (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) They're causing us more harm than good considering most of the parties happening and COVID cases are within greek life. The same stuff would happen if you "abolished" greek life, they would just be underground like they used to be. @abolish_greeklife on Instagram | greeklifeabolition@gmail.com. I see why people harp on the ills of the Greek system, but I can't imagine how much worse my life would be if it weren't for the impact of my fraternity brothers. There’s such a stereotype associated with fraternities, and let’s be honest, many of them deserve that stereotype. what about the aspiring physicians or lawyers in the pre-professional co ed frats that benefit from the resources these orgs provide? With that being said, even if they aren’t associated with the school, you could still have organized fraternities. At Northwestern, the Greek system is the absolute authority on social life. Abolish Greek Life. Nationwide calls to abolish Greek life are focused on the Interfraternity Council, with 25 men's fraternities and two co-ed fraternities at Penn, and the Panhellenic Council which is composed of eight women’s sororities at Penn. Projects. Let’s be honest, frats thrive off of their exclusivity. Others also know they can come out, and we have had trans brothers in our organization. These three frat guys kept pushing on it from behind and laughing. Season 1, Episode 7 - Abolish Greek Life and the History of White Fraternities Andrea Skarbecki August 11, 2020 fraternity , sorority , race , Greek Life Comment Facebook 0 Twitter LinkedIn 0 Reddit Tumblr 0 Likes Gay guy in a fraternity, here. Folder: About. If you look outside you’ll also see it’s not just them, that half of IV is still partying, and getting rid of frats won’t stop that. It would not surprise me if I get downvoted for this. They thrive off of discrimination. I know my message was somewhat aggressive but this is the result of witnessing constant abuse. About. (the rest of this petition currently refers to frats only, but we are currently updating it to address sororities too!) Has anyone else’s school have an abolish Greek life movement going on? Projects. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I just think that it is too late to abolish … The more you try to control others, the more you will suffer. Vanderbilt’s Greek rush process, in which potential new members are sorted into fraternities and sororities, will conclude at the beginning of the upcoming spring semester. Leave the students to fraternize as they see fit. Disagree. More posts from the UCSantaBarbara community. I also cannot be the only one that feels they need to go. If they repeat, suspend them. Don't forget that they're putting us, the non-student population of Berkeley, at risk here too by partying and spreading Coronavirus. "other people are partying too" yes and? That isn’t to say that there isn’t a lot of work that needs to still be done, but I do believe that the dismissal of all feats like this isn’t a good thing. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Inspired by the Abolish Greek life Movement at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, which has received national attention, students at Tech have now formed their own coalition on the matter.. In the wake of our nation’s moral reckoning with racism, a movement to Abolish Greek Life was born. I know I started this thread as a criticism of the COVID parties going on, but it’s important to note that there’s a deep rooted issue here. Then, send us your story. Focus inward, not outward. There have been movements to dismantle the pay-to-play organizations at many campuses, but the efforts typically have been led by outsiders, Pinto said. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/berkeley. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. Nobodies keeping you up night (and if they are knock on their door, and if it persists call the cops), the pandemic is staying regardless, and quite frankly you just sound like you don’t like Greek life because they annoy you. It’s telling that everyone that agrees with you isn’t in a frat or sorority... they don’t see the real benefits. To start, let's do a simple thought experiment and imagine a world in which fraternities were not a part of higher educat Im sure whatever sorority you decided not to rush really missed out on you gracing them with your presence. You’ve clearly been bottled up at home since March. The Piazza family has been pushing for aggressive reform and pinpoints that as the key to success in changing Greek culture and avoiding another national tragedy. My guess is that it would probably be more likely for their national organization to take away their charter so maybe just a lot of snitching when they party but there has to be a less tedious way. I used to dread having to go anywhere near the frat houses. I’m proud to say that I could be openly out in my frat, with both my sexuality and the fact I’m non-binary. Who cares about frats? I’ve always been anti-Greek life. Multicultural orgs are iffy because hazing within them is a whole different (dangerous and harmful) issue but it's a conversation for a different day. Jim Piazza Not Pushing To Abolish Greek Life, Seeks Nationwide Reform. We must abolish it. I think you can’t take this all out on Greeks. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. I do think that the university could be stricter with regulating them (exactly how I don’t know), especially at a time like this. I've drove down DP on a weekend night, and it seems like it's more of an IV issue than a greek life issue, which is only 10% of the school, and an even smaller percentage of IV. Eugh as someone who is a philosophy major that has taken a lot of science courses (a neuroscience degree from a foreign university + premed track) I always find it so annoying, when STEM people who never taken a humanities course (or maybe one intro course) think less of non stem majors. i agree the greek system is massively fucked up but just bc a few frats and sororities are being dumb doesn't mean everyone associated w a frat (particularly pre-prof and multicultural frats) should get backlash as well. It will be a test for Greek life and the Abolish Greek Life movement alike. Students at Vanderbilt University are dropping out of their Greek organizations by the hundreds and demanding chapters disaffiliate from their national offices. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. r/UCSantaBarbara is back to abolish Greek life for the tenth time this year. It was ~$3k/semester for a private room, 10 meals/week, plus social events. You must be one of those “respect me and my choices, but I have no respect for you or yours” types. The Abolish Greek life movement that has been sweeping across the country has made its way to Tech. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. There's tons of parties in IV, it's an issue with the students as a whole and the local government for not shutting parties down. Abolish Greek Life. Uh oh, watch out Thad and Chad. Back. That causes spread too... that is largely why Santa Maria, Lompoc, and the City of Santa Barbara have higher infection rates than IV. You can’t stop groups of people from forming clubs, especially off campus. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. After Floyd’s killing in police custody and … Color me surprised. I could write a book on this matter chock-full of personal experiences but just writing this post is giving me a headache. In recent months, movements to abolish Greek Life organizations on college campuses have sprung up across the country. Contact. Chapters [10]: Chapman University (@abolishgreeklifechapman) Denison University (@abolishdukeifcandpanhellenic) Duke University (@du_abolishgreek) Emory University (@abolishemorygreeklife) University of Richmond (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) i just don't think that's fair. Not to mention the rampant racism, classism, and sexual harassment allegations that come from there. The culture of sexual assault and the emphasis on conforming to fit into this system was unappealing to me from the start, but recently, as the Abolish Greek Life … There are hundreds of parties going in iv which include those who are CC kids and UC kids who are not in Greek life. Being in Greek Life, knowing what I know, experiencing what I experienced ... Abolish Stanford Greek life: Confessions from an ex-sorority president. This boils down to a larger problem with local government at this point and taking it all out on Greeks is just simply not the answer honey. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/I also really feel for some of the AC Transit drivers. New Hope in Old Appalachia It all begins with an idea. Calls for restructuring White Greek life are not new, but cries to abolish them have sharpened in recent months. But IV has the same issue, at a smaller rate. Any body is what the members make of it. Abolish NU IFC/PHA Greek Life has 297 photos and videos on their Instagram profile. Thank you for speaking out for Greek Life. I learned more as president of my fraternity than I did in any of my coursework at Berkeley and many of those guys are still my best friends to this day. Press J to jump to the feed. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. This is how I feel as well. This sounds a lot like my experience 15-20 years ago at Cal. even then, what about the sororities or frats that have been responsible and enforcing negative consequences for going out? With the recent email that was sent out regarding COVID rates surging because of frat parties, what are your opinions on whether or not we should abolish Greek life? About. Well, graduated this semester so I’m an alumni but I digress. Press J to jump to the feed. The councils have about 1,400 members each. ._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} The system is broken. The only part of your argument I have a problem with is “a low 3.0 in humanities”.... idk I feel like this statement was unnecessary, it puts down student’s accomplishments and major/passions regardless of whether they’re involved in Greek life or not... has a very god-complex tone to me. or even the multicultural greek orgs? Welcome! what about the students who are part of multicultural sororities for an actual community to help them embrace their identity? EDIT: After reading some comments, I should clarify I mean social orgs such as IFC and Panhellenic. Edit: It has come to my attention that this post is circulating around certain frats’ group chats, hence the sudden influx of negative messages. Not just people you agree with or like, *everyone/anyone*. This is understandable, a lot of people don’t, but if that’s the case you can’t just cancel an organization because their ways don’t agree with yours. Frats bois aren’t partying because they’re in frats, they’re in frats because they wanna party. The movement argues that Greek life is exclusionary, racist and misogynist, and structurally resistant to important reforms due to the hierarchical nature of national Greek organizations. Does anyone have any ideas on how feasible it would be to actually have Greek life removed from UCSB? because they are technically part of greek life but they don't have houses and have gone entirely virtual amidst covid so when you say abolish greek life, is it only the frats and sororities part of ifc and npc? When the orgs are predominantly white and only take white girls (no matter how hard they claim diversity aka a phi and pi phi you're not fooling anyone) the "opportunities" and "networking" y'all claim is limited to white folks. There were some rich, white dudes, but people came from all over and we worked on payment plans for brothers that had hit hard times. Start by signing the petition. What We Do Current Page: Chapters Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Chapters. Folder: About. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. If these Greek houses violated County guidelines, cite them. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. I can't really say whether Cal should or shouldn't ban them. Once, I was walking with my instrument (pulling it behind me on wheels) for a gig near the International House. If you’re going to try and discredit my argument, please do so without arrogance. I'm not a UC student. What We Do. IFC chapter presidents and the administrators in the CSI will likely discuss calls to abolish Greek Life in a meeting on July 13, according to Corsiglia’s email. Our Mission To dismantle the fraternity and sorority system on every campus, expelling the exclusivity, discrimination, and violence Greek Life brings with it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts How bout the 50 houses on dp partying every weekend? As a member of another fraternity here on campus, it's nice to see our voices heard. You hit the triple whammy by judging them for their race, body and “wealth”. where do the pre professional greek organizations come into play with this though, out of curiosity? By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Good luck with that. There is an increasing call from former members of college fraternities and sororities to “Abolish Greek Life” (AGL). We must abolish it,” states a Change.org petition created by the Abolish Greek Life movement, which is made up largely of former fraternity and sorority members who have left their organizations in protest of what they say is the toxic and bigoted nature of historically White fraternities and sororities (HWFS). It’s not just Greek life my dude. Plus I seriously doubt "most" of the parties are coming from greek life, greek life is just the only group that is getting held accountable. The best thing to do right now is to keep calm and reduce your risk by not getting close to anyone who likes to drink alcohol in a group. I'm not even part of a frat but using the select few worst examples and extrapolating that to the whole group of frats is pure ignorance. I get that it’s mostly white people, but I think that’s a bit condescending or disregarding of non white people in Greek Life that enjoy it. IV has quite a few essential workers, in big families where big gatherings are both a joy and a necessity for survival in our rich/poor economy here. As other people in this thread have pointed out, it could lead to them "going rogue" and operating entirely unmonitored. How would abolishing Greek life solve any of these issues? Our house was as diverse as Cal overall. IFC and Panhellenic are historically racist orgs that perpetuate systemic oppression of minorities, as they aren't as accessible to minorities. Press J to jump to the feed. You act like there aren’t older people that live in IV who are at risk because students won’t stop partying. Someone made an Instagram page for my school and held a zoom meeting about mass disaffiliation and eventually disbanding all Greek life at my school. literally what the title says. We cannot adequately reform Greek life. Due to Greek life’s considerable presence on our campus, the University could hardly stave off such a movement long. The type of students that throw parties go here or cc, abolishing greek life wouldn't make those types of people stop throwing parties. Sounds like you discriminated them based on what they choose to post on social media. Harvard tried and failed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/, pre-professional frats aren't allowed to have anything in person at all. Read More. IV now has about 50 tents of unhoused folk in it parks... don't see the rules being followed at those. I dont have any love for greek life but a lot of the arguments against it reek of sour grapes. Join Us. It's past time to abolish Greek life. At one point my GF at the time (who was a UC student then) and I were walking past one of the frat houses, holding hands, and got jeered at, screamed at to kiss, etc., because lesbians omg. There is a lot of good work to do here in IV, helping our unhoused and essential workers be safer too, in a kind and generous way. 3,719 Followers, 1,786 Following, 31 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Greek Life (@abolish_greeklife) In an email to The Collegian on July 9, IFC president Peter Corsiglia wrote that he cannot comment on the calls to abolish Greek Life at UR. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. For a better tomorrow, we must #AbolishGreekLife. And above all, they thrive off of this toxic brotherhood culture, where many have fallen victim to rape coverups and denial. I'm just a Berkeley citizen, who's lived here for most of my life. i know of one panhellenic sorority who completely shut down their house this year because they didn't want to endanger anyone by making their girls live in, which i think was a good move on their part. Chapters. Be happy and be your best. But things are changing and becoming better in the Greek Life system. Even if you aren’t in the roughly 40 percent of undergraduates who join a fraternity or sorority, their influence can be hard to escape, since they often dictate when the parties are, where the parties are, and exactly who’s invited. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. View Entire Discussion (149 Comments) Greek life promotes a social hierarchy that feeds off of class status, gender status, racial status, homophobia, and transphobia. How tf r u gonna generalize all frats like this. 5/14/18 6:21 pm. Focusing on the Greek houses seems to me to divert needed energy from other needs. Login; ... abolish greek life by: agl Nov 28, 2020 11:13:15 AM. But it is noticeable that no other parks on the whole South Coast have permanent tent encampments. Go outside, smell some fresh air, get some sun, and lighten your mood. i definitely see your reasoning for abolishing greek life, but if we do abolish all, where do we draw the line of what we are removing from campus? Chapters. One is not easier or harder than the other, they are just different and require different aptitudes or skills to do well. But, as a "civilian" so to speak, I can attest to the fact that they're a general nuisance. Fiji is recognized by the IFC now, they don’t throw parties as much because if they get one more issue arise from their parties they could get unrecognized. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. What We Do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/. Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19 Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19. also why is this comment controversial lol. What We Do Chapters Current Page: Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Projects. But abolishing them looks to me like collective punishment, and hasn't the world and the US (in violation of its founding principles) done enough of that in history? Catcalls, mostly- every time. Contact. A subreddit for the community of UC Berkeley as well as the surrounding City of Berkeley, California. EDIT (again): If you're going to defend greek life and say they aren't the only ones partying then you better go just as hard in holding them accountable. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. not to mention that 20 people at a random house party on DP (which is still bad) aren't collectively contributing to and benefiting from a racist, classist, outdated and ORGANIZED system. r/abolishgreeklife: Greece is not a real country. I know people personally who have been roofied, raped, sexually assaulted, etc... at frats and for their sake I will not be standing by idly. I have enormous sympathy for unhoused folk in today's mess, and IV is kind and generous in many ways... the Pescadero Lofts, outreach through various programs, including the religious institutions in IV, which I support and volunteer at. Not to endorse OP or anything, but you guys need to figure out better ways to make your point. By Steve Connelly . 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